Michelle Courtright (00:05)
Hello and welcome to Sound of Mind. I'm Michelle Courtright.

Amanda Kelso (00:09)
And I'm Amanda Kelso. Michelle, we're actually doing this.

Michelle Courtright (00:14)
No, it's crazy. We're actually doing this. So it's our first episode. Let's tell people what they've just wandered into.

Amanda Kelso (00:22)
here's the short version. Sound of Mind is a show about consciousness, but we get there through music because everyone has had this experience. A song comes on, and suddenly you're 17 again. Or you hear a song and you're crying in your car and you couldn't tell anyone exactly why.

Michelle Courtright (00:44)
Yeah.

you experience the the presence of someone who's already gone, or you experience a profound synchronicity. A lot of people who have had near-death experiences, it changes them and it

it makes them question their sense of reality and and what consciousness actually is.

Amanda Kelso (01:03)
Something is happening in those moments and no one can fully explain it.

Michelle Courtright (01:09)
And that's the space we want to live in. That's the gap between what science can tell us and what we actually feel and perceive.

We're going to talk to

musicians, artists, philosophers,

scientists, all kinds of people

they've had these kind of experiences and they can't quite put it into words what it is.

Amanda Kelso (01:30)
And we're going to ask the questions that maybe you're too polite to ask at a dinner party. Like, where do songs actually come from? Can music change your state of consciousness? What happens to us when we grieve? And is any of this bigger than us?

Michelle Courtright (01:52)
And we should say we come at this from pretty different worlds.

I had a profound telepathic experience in a forest in southern France, and it completely changed my perception of what reality is. And Amanda, you are so grounded, you come from a background that's that's about it's grounded in technology and and culture and and storytelling.

Amanda Kelso (02:18)
And Michelle, you come from the creative world in sustainable food and climate solutions, which means neither of us is a neuroscientist or a shaman.

Michelle Courtright (02:28)
Nope, we checked.

Amanda Kelso (02:30)
We're just two deeply curious people who couldn't stop having this conversation and finally decided to hit record.

Michelle Courtright (02:38)
And

speaking of record, we met with our first guest a while back and we could not have asked for a better guest. It was it

it was incredible. Amanda, tell tell us a little bit about our first guest, Alicia.

Amanda Kelso (02:52)
Yeah, Alicia Witt is an actor, pianist, singer, songwriter, and author. You've seen her in the film Dune,

Twin Peaks, The Sopranos, and more recently Long Legs. But before any of that, she was a genuine child prodigy reading Shakespeare as a toddler on national TV at the age of seven.

Michelle Courtright (03:16)
And this is actually where the iconic filmmaker David Lynch discovered her. She was seven years old. She's from Westa, Massachusetts. She has absolutely no connection to Hollywood.

she lands a role in Dune, which is really interesting. And that chance friendship, it it turned into more than just friendship, it turned into spiritual mentorship and

something that lasted there.

David's entire life.

Amanda Kelso (03:44)
And this conversation, Michelle, it really goes places.

Michelle Courtright (03:48)
It really does. It really does.

there's a past life memory involving an ice cream cone and a prayer that's answered by an avocado.

yeah, that's all I'll say.

Amanda Kelso (04:00)
And her relationship with David Lynch.

Michelle Courtright (04:02)
And really that's genuinely my favorite part.

Amanda Kelso (04:05)
All of it winds toward her new album, Between Heaven and Earth, a tribute to David,

recorded in just four days, live in one room. And Alicia will tell you herself. She believes he was there for it. And after hearing her describe it, I kind of believe her.

Michelle Courtright (04:23)
So that's basically the show. It's big questions, it's great music and a genuine openness to mystery and higher consciousness. And if that sounds like your kind of thing, stick around and come back because this is just the beginning.

Amanda Kelso (04:40)
And now here's our conversation with the wonderful Alicia Witt.

Sound of Mind (04:45)
Welcome to Sound of Mind.

The artists who stay with us are often the ones who leave us with better questions than answers. Alicia Witt is an acclaimed actor, singer-songwriter, and classically trained pianist who has long moved between film, television, and music with unusual depth and range. Many audiences may know her from roles in the film Dune, the TV show Twin Peaks, and The Sopranos, but her creative extends well beyond acting.

She was a musical prodigy in childhood and began playing at an early age, later developing into a songwriter whose work often explores the themes of grief, longing, and transcendence. Her newest album, which we're so excited about, is called Between Heaven and Earth and is a deeply personal collection of songs that explores loss, love, memory, and the questions that arise when life changes us in ways we never expected.

Alicia, welcome to Sound of Mind. We're so happy you're here.

alicia (05:50)
Thank you, Amanda and Michelle. I'm so happy to be here as well. Thank you for that beautiful introduction.

Sound of Mind (05:58)
Yes, we're very excited. And Alicia, you first met David Lynch actually when you were just seven years old, And it did grow into a friendship that lasted for decades.

you've described him as someone who deeply influenced the way that you think about inner wisdom and spirituality. Can you take us back to that first meeting of when you met David, how that relationship evolved and the spiritual mentorship that he's provided that over the years that has, you know, had become so much a part of your life?

alicia (06:30)
When I met David when I was seven, I I had no idea about what he what he meant as a creative person or how beloved his first two movies had been at that time or or anything. I was completely

In the dark as to who he was outside of just who he literally was as a human being. And the impression he made on me at age seven was more profound than I think I could even begin to measure.

He had a way about him right from that first meeting of making me feel that what I had to say mattered. I was only seven. But I felt seen and understood, and I found a confidence and a power in myself in that moment.

That

I couldn't have really expected. And I also completely took it for granted because I was so young. And I just thought this is a person that I feel a sort of familial connection to. And I'm sure part of it is that I was also meant to work with him.

I do believe in destiny. I think the way in which that role came to be was so profoundly unlikely. I wasn't a child actor. I lived in Worcester, Massachusetts, with school teacher parents. Nobody that we knew was in the entertainment business at all. But I had a I had an ability and a proficiency for reading at a very young age. So my mother had taught me some Shakespeare.

One thing led to another, and I ended up on That's Incredible, which was a talk show or a a variety show really, in

Sound of Mind (08:51)
Yeah.

alicia (08:52)
the 1980s. And two years after that episode aired, the casting director for Dune was looking for a child to play the role of Alia in Dune and called That's Incredible because she was running into dead ends with the normal casting route.

It was a very tricky role. Specifically, needed a child that could say very big sentences and words, and who could appear to be an adult in a child's body. And that's why she called That's Incredible. So all of these things together leading to me having this meeting, it was so much more than just a really cool experience that changed my professional life.

It altered me as a person forever. And then that was even more reinforced by the fact that I went on to work with David three more times. And

That he remained in my life as a champion and a support and

As a person that

was always

was always lifting me up, always seeing me, always

Making me feel appreciated as he did for everyone in his life.

I don't know who I would be if I hadn't if I hadn't had David Lynch in my life. And to me he's not this creative entity so much as he is.

An energy and a spirit that profoundly changed the trajectory of my development as a person.

Sound of Mind (10:54)
it is amazing when there's somebody who you encounter in your life who changes the trajectory of where you go. It's

really extraordinary.

we'll continue exploring your relationship with David Lynch in a minute, but what I really wanted to do first is just you know explore your connection.

to music.

you had mentioned to us that when you were three, you were listening to Dion Warwick, which is incredible. I love that. When you were three. And and you were constantly singing. And so you knew

alicia (11:31)
Yeah. Yes.

Sound of Mind (11:33)
that music was part of your path. you learned to play piano at an early age.

did anyone notice this? Did anyone go, hey,

This is something that this this young child seems to be really into.

alicia (11:49)
Yes, yes, I I will share that my mother wrote in a little notebook when I was around that age, three or four, that she was noticing that I was leaning towards many things musical that I was singing a lot. And she wrote in her notebook, Alicia needs to be playing the piano. Like she needs a piano.

but I didn't start playing until I was seven. It was that was when it all came together.

but yeah, I give her so much credit for recognizing, even without me having an instrument around the house,

My dad did play the guitar, but it wasn't

you wouldn't say it's a musical household really. Except that we listened to music all the time and I was I would sing the songs and know the words and I was very into that. Very into the meanings of songs. I took them deeply. I would cry. I would listen to songs and they would make me cry when I was a toddler.

Sound of Mind (13:00)
Yeah.

alicia (13:00)
but I didn't think that was unusual. It was just

That's what music meant to me. When I was a little older, my mom started getting this feeling that it was so important that I start taking piano lessons because she had a feeling I was going to take to it very quickly based on what she had seen with my connection to music. So she contacted Baldwin Piano Company and

Used the fact that I'd been on That's Incredible, and I'd been on the Today Show at that point typing on my sixth birthday. I typed 60 words a minute with somebody there

Sound of Mind (13:44)
Yeah.

alicia (13:45)
to document the occurrence. And and she thought, well, let me see if I can get Baldwin to donate a piano to us, with the idea that if

all these things are happening, maybe piano would also be something I'd pick up quickly, and then there would be opportunities to mention Baldwin pianos. It was very enterprising of her. But it totally

Sound of Mind (14:13)
I'm gonna love.

alicia (14:14)
worked. she got us a piano and it was it was lent to us kind of indefinitely. And then I started piano lessons and

Was completely right about that within a few lessons or even after my first lesson, I remember feeling like it was a deeply familiar tableau. I didn't know about past lives yet, per se, but the feelings I had were like I had done this before,

Sound of Mind (14:46)
Yeah.

alicia (14:48)
for sure.

Sound of Mind (14:50)
I was gonna I was gonna ask about that. A lot of people will say that it felt like, you know, a download feels how a download feels where it's just like you knew you were supposed to do this, you knew exactly what to do. It was the the blueprint was already there for you to execute. It wasn't you know, it's it's a lot like how people start speaking languages they've never heard of or they play a comp complicated instrument and obviously a piano for a three or four year old is quite young and and so that is that's really

really interesting. Do you feel like that was sort of a a download or was it something else?

alicia (15:27)
I think that I just came into this life with the love of music that I probably had in previous lives.

Sound of Mind (15:35)
Previous sites, yeah.

alicia (15:37)
I think so.

I think there's something to the idea that a person knows when they're extremely young what those things are that bring them joy and what they feel come naturally. And often those initial feelings of of passion for something are what could lead you to a vocation that will that will make you happy and feel

feel like an easy fit instead of putting a square peg and a round hole, forcing yourself into a career that maybe doesn't make you happy or doesn't nurture what what your interests are.

Sound of Mind (16:21)
Yeah.

Well your new album is is called Between Heaven and Earth,

it it's very a mystical place. And I wanted to ask what that space means to you, especially in

There's just a lot of people, especially who've had, you know, near death experiences or can see beyond the veil. they they describe angels and demons and energy and even interdimensional travel between heaven and earth. And I just maybe I'm going too far on that, but I'd just like you to walk us through the through your lens of of the album and and what that s mysterious space means to you.

alicia (17:03)
Well the song came before the knowing that I was going to call the album that

But it was Joe Henry, the producer, who identified that song title as a beautiful title for the album and a meaningful descriptive title for the album. And I realized he was right. The song was written describing though.

That sort of dreamy, fiercely, insistently optimistic place that David Lynch knew so well. And that I would say he brought to even the darkest material that he produced as a filmmaker. There was always the contrast of the light to the dark. That's where.

That's where true beauty lies, you might say. You can't have the pure joy without exploring the darkness. And this makes me think of places that I've accessed not only through meditation as a practicer of TM, transcendental meditation, I've experienced intense weeping, intense laughter.

just completely leaving my body. It's that's really the goal. And as anyone who practices TM can attest, you don't always achieve it. Sometimes you're distracted and you find yourself restless and you just have to accept that's the experience that day. But committing to it and allowing yourself that break.

to rest. It does feel like hovering between heaven and earth sometimes. And also I have had that experience working with plant medicine. And one of the things I was most excited to talk to David about in our last conversation a year before he died was my work with ayahuasca. And to my surprise he

He got a bit irate about it because his opinion was you don't need that stuff. You got it all in your mind. All you you can get there in TM. which was endearing, you know. He

Sound of Mind (19:41)
It's a common

thing, yeah. I hear this this back and forth a lot. Yes. Tell us what it he just was against that it was a psychedelic

alicia (19:51)
I don't know if he was against it. He wasn't he wasn't judgmental of the fact that I'd worked with it, but he was he was less, I guess what it is is he was less fascinated to hear my experience than I expected he would be. Because that conversation with him once again was completely transformative.

Because it was the first time I'd realized that what he was saying basically was he he goes that deep in meditation and he's been doing it for so many years with such consistency, like clockwork, as he said, that

for him it was not an unusual occurrence to go as deeply and get the kind of insights that I was describing.

Sound of Mind (20:50)
I I cannot wait to hear your ayahuasca experience. and for anyone who's listening, just a little primer

alicia (20:56)
Yeah.

Sound of Mind (20:57)
on on what it what it is. It's traditional Amazonian plant medicine. It's been used for many generations in indigenous communities around the world. And but specifically this one is helping to heal, it's helping to go deep into introspection, spirituality, and it's guided by shamans who

provide music and chanting and it's just this wonderful experience. but you experienced and contributed to the the Icarus. so yes, let's let's start there and and take us back to that experience.

alicia (21:33)
Well that I love that you brought that up because that was one of the most amazing experiences I've had in my life. And

What I what I have always found, I've I've had six journeys in my life so far. And each and every time what you learn and what you experience is entirely different. Which is, to be fair, the same with meditation. You can it's not the same in my opinion, but it's no two meditations are going to be alike either.

but there is some deep wisdom about ayahuasca, especially when it is guided by a true shaman, which is necessary, I think, because they will protect your spirit and protect the spirits of the other people around you. it's deep work and it will uncover

surprising things and show you surprising things to

give you the healing that it's determined you need to get to whatever you in your particular soul need to experience and heal. And in this case, this night that you're talking about, I found my own voice rising up from out of me, joining with the shamans in their Icaros.

These are songs I'd not heard before. And yet I knew what the song was. I knew what the harmony was. I think as a piano player and a classically trained musician, that was amazing for me because it took out any thought of, well, they're singing an A. I guess I must harmonize with a C sharp. Or

I must work out on the piano what my harmony is. My mind kind of goes that way sometimes with singing. And this was not that. It was just the voice. Just the voice. It was a journey on which others were experiencing a lot of upheaval. There were a lot of dark energies being unearthed that night so that they could be released forever.

And

I innately was shown that what I was meant to contribute was simply my voice to help calm.

That was what I needed to do. And in so doing, that helped show me that I must think of singing in an entirely different way. It's a means of communication. It's not

ever to be thought of like something that you would put a value on. Did I sing right? Did I sing well?

You let all of that go. Singing is about communication, pure spirit.

Sound of Mind (24:54)
Yeah.

alicia (24:55)
And then weirdly, that brings me to my experience on the masked singer, which you might think it has nothing to do with ayahuasca and deeply spiritual topics, but I found it I found it very similar. It was like the ayahuasca experience was a reinforcement of what I learned.

While doing The Masked Singer, because when you're wearing this crazy head-to-toe costume, and every bit of your skin and every bit of your identity as a human being is concealed, you have nothing but your voice to connect to the audience with. And in particular, the first song that I sang, which was Over the Rainbow, a deeply spiritual song.

I felt like for the time that the audience and I were connected during that song, there was nothing else in the whole world, or at least in that room, all it was was pure spirit. Something I don't even feel I can or should take credit for. I allowed

energy of what I meant to say with that song to come out my voice.

and reach everybody in the audience and once the song ended, I felt lifted up by all of them. It was amazing.

Sound of Mind (26:23)
That's beautiful. And it really does point to that that theme that we talk about so much on Sound of Mind, which is this notion that we there is this collective consciousness and that musicians have a special ability to tap into that in a way that is

incredibly powerful. I wanted to ask you about

This notion of consciousness. There's been growing interest in research that challenges the conventional ideas of what consciousness means. And you've said

that the most profound experience, which is death, is known, that there is no death, and that there are multiple timelines. I would love to hear more about your thinking around that.

alicia (27:11)
I I definitely do have past life memories, for example.

And

I'll share one with you that isn't

doesn't feel too personal to share, but just an example of what I mean by a past life memory. I was raking leaves when I was ten in my backyard in Massachusetts, and I heard a lawnmower in the distance.

And the sound of the lawn mower reminded me of that time when I was 14, eating an ice cream cone, sitting on the steps of my house watching my mother mow the lawn. I was 10. I had never

Sound of Mind (27:54)
True.

alicia (27:54)
eaten an ice cream cone because my mother was very strict about no sugar and no artificial anything. So the idea of holding an ice cream cone, licking ice cream, that was not an experience I'd had.

And the steps I was sitting on were not, did not belong to my the house that I knew. It had white pickets on the like on the deck of it. And I was sitting on the stoop, which was leading down to where the grass was, and there were these white banisters on the on the landing of the house. I was sitting on the those on the stoop and I was watching who I knew to be my mother. She had short

c short hair, like a sixties shag cut. And she was pushing a lawnmower with the handle up like this. And it was made of brass and she was pushing it that way.

And when the memory occurred to me it was no different than a normal memory. Like, that reminds me of the time I was six and I opened my cr my presents on Christmas morning. Except this was a memory that in this lifetime never happened to me.

Sound of Mind (29:05)
Yeah. Are you able to tap into that with frequency?

alicia (29:10)
I I would say that there was one memory in particular that was traumatic that I I worked with a a Native American healer when I was about 30s, 30, early 30s, I would say, to heal that because I felt that it was something.

That was doing great harm to me in this life. That one's too personal to share, but I I found that incredibly helpful. And I've had dreams, I frequently have dreams where

I feel as though I've dropped into a different timeline with people that in the dream I know, or a city that in the dream I know, or a house. It's my house in the dream. But it's not my house, and it's not a house I've ever lived in. These sorts of things happen quite often to me. And one of the experiences that I had in ayahuasca that I thought was fascinating was

I experienced a very surprising

revelation about somebody from my past who I'd barely known, but I was shown an alternate timeline with this person where we had a whole life together. And that was my most significant relationship.

Sound of Mind (30:52)
I am so curious about the science on this because if it's past life it you know you can go into regression and get there via

alicia (31:00)
Ha ha.

Sound of Mind (31:01)
data brain state. But also TM transcendental meditation, you can also get there and travel, you know, time is not linear. And so what and then also dreams are different too. So how do you how do you make sense of these things that are quite different? Dreams and meditations and

past life experiences and and how because they do all come up in a very similar way. Wha how do you describe that if you're gonna describe it to other people?

alicia (31:28)
Yeah.

Well, for example, in in my meditation this morning, I was feeling uneasy around a specific s situation. And I found myself having a spiritual conversation. I didn't mean to, I wasn't intending to do that. I just this sort of thing happens in TM where

you have a mantra which is secret, which is for you alone. And you start out with that and it quiets your mind and it takes you to a deeply peaceful place more and more quickly with practice. And then you get to this place where the mantra has has stopped, but you're also not quite having conscious thoughts. And

I found myself having what I believe was a healing discussion with somebody that I think was necessary to have and probably not necessary to have in real life.

And then when the meditation was ending, I became aware of what had just happened. And I had those moments in ayahuasca as well, where I had these healing conversations where it's like you can connect to somebody and repair something that is not quite right, where it might not be necessary to talk to them in person about it.

I think the same is true in dreams. I've certainly had many visitations by people who have passed away in dreams. And

I don't know exactly how to describe it, but

I have a I even have a theory that there's that both reincarnation and souls reaching out to you from the past, that they're both true. And my theory on that is what if those dreams where you feel like you're dropped into a different timeline with a different house and a different set of

People that you love. Well, what if that's a past life and you're dropping into it to say hello to somebody?

and

Sound of Mind (33:58)
Yeah.

alicia (33:58)
if somebody else had made a few different choices.

There's probably

Sound of Mind (34:01)
That's

alicia (34:02)
multiple ways that destiny can find you.

Sound of Mind (34:06)
Yes. And it's so interesting how it changes reality or or changes the storyline you had mentioned the avocado magic story. What is that about? Are you able to share?

alicia (34:22)
yes, I can share that. This was when I became sure of the presence of God or greater power or whatever one might call. but I like to call that energy God that resonates with me. And

I was watching my mother peel an avocado, and the avocado, she had the avocado had been sitting there for a few days, and it appeared to be rotten. And we didn't have high hopes that it was going to be any good. We felt we had left it too long. So my mother started to peel it, and it was indeed rotten. And

In my mind, I said a very quick prayer. And I said, God, if you're real, please make this avocado be good. And as soon as I'd thought that prayer, I swear to you, from that moment on, the peel revealed green avocado underneath.

Sound of Mind (35:32)
We love it. Power prayer.

alicia (35:34)
That's the avocado miracle story. So I thought,

okay, God, you're real. I got the message.

Sound of Mind (35:42)
I love that story.

We're gonna wrap up shortly, but I wanted to just go back to your album for a moment, Between Heaven and Earth.

alicia (35:48)
Yes.

Sound of Mind (35:49)
I know it's really important for you to get this album out there in the world, Could you tell us your final thoughts on the album and what it means and how others can also access this?

alicia (36:00)
I have a knowing about this album that the place we've been talking about in this interview, this is the place in which all 13 songs on this record were created. And I was very intentional from the beginning. I was receiving

The intuition that I was meant to make this album a tribute to David. And in so doing, he started making himself very present to me frequently in meditations. And I believe he was with us.

While we recorded these songs, everyone in the room felt it. It was like being in a spell. I've not had a recording experience like this one. We tracked these 13 songs over four days.

Sound of Mind (37:01)
Well.

alicia (37:01)
well, twelve songs over four days with the band. It was me and five musicians all playing live, including my vocals. There was no isolation.

Sound of Mind (37:12)
Well

alicia (37:13)
from one instrument to another. We were all making this music together, channeling it is what it felt like. And on the fifth day we were listening back and

if there was something somebody wanted to go back and correct or whatever, we would do that and maybe add a part here and there. And at lunch break, I sat down at the piano, asked the engineer to leave the mics running, and I played and sang the final song, the director, which is made entirely of these insights and messages that I was receiving from David, that I've received from him since his passing, in fact.

I've n I there is no comparison between this album and others that I've made.

it is a tribute to this energy that we're talking about and which David Lynch was the very embodiment of and which he introduced so many to in his life and still beyond his being in physical form.

So I don't I don't feel like I can even take credit for it, except I know that these songs were given to me from wherever they came from, and the opportunity was given for a reason to have the privilege of of recording them at this particular time in this particular way. And I know that

energy is in these songs for whatever reason. There's the beauty in the most intense pain and loss, the acceptance. There's some ridiculous joy and silliness.

there's there's reverie and memory and that optimism we talked about. The title track is

so beautifully optimistic.

And I know that there there exists in these songs whatever somebody might want to hear in them at that particular time.

And I can't wait to have it out in the world. It's incredible to me. We only recorded it in January. It's by far the fastest full-length album I've from recording to being out. So the fact that it will soon be out in the world is amazing.

Sound of Mind (39:49)
That's

incredible. We're we're just Alicia, we're so happy that you joined us. And this has been, you know, thank you for sharing your your music and your heart with us. And especially this album, we we encourage everybody to check out Alicia's beautiful new album, Between Heaven and Earth. It's a deeply moving companion to this conversation that we've had today and can be found obviously on on all the places, Spotify and everywhere. But

Thank you everyone to everyone listening and thank you for joining us on Sound of Mind. Thank you, Alicia. Thank you so much.

alicia (40:24)
Thank you for having me. What an honor it's been to talk

to you today.

Michelle Courtright (40:30)
And that was our conversation with Alicia Witt. Amanda, I need a minute.

Amanda Kelso (40:36)
Right?

First episode, and we've already covered past lives, plant-based medicine, David Lynch as a spiritual mentor, and produce-based proof of God.

Michelle Courtright (40:47)
it's pretty wild. The the avocado definitely stayed with me. What I thought was interesting is that, you know, she's talking about singing as a form of communication, which is different. It's it's, you

you know, connecting to spirit and and higher source. And whether that's in an ayahuasca ceremony or a costume on the masked singer,

it's the same thing.

Amanda Kelso (41:12)
Yeah, it's the same doorway, very different outfits.

And that's really what Sound of Mind is about. It's about those doorways. The idea that music might be one of the most reliable ways we have of touching something bigger than ourselves. Alicia just happens to have walked through more of them than most.

Michelle Courtright (41:33)
So here's your homework and it's the good kind. Go listen to the album Between Heaven and Earth. It's thirteen songs. They're recorded live in just four days. Pretty amazing. And after hearing Alicia describe it, you're gonna listen to it quite differently. It it is very much a tribute to David Lynch, but it's also about, you know, grief and longing and memory and joy.

And in her words, she just wants you to get out of it what what you're gonna get out of it.

Amanda Kelso (42:04)
It's out now everywhere you stream music, and we put the links to the album in the show notes.

Michelle Courtright (42:10)
and a huge thank you to Alicia Witt for trusting us with this conversation, especially as our very first guest.

Amanda Kelso (42:16)
And thank you for listening. And if this episode moved you, made you curious, or made you look suspiciously at an avocado, share it with someone. Subscribe, leave us a review, all the things. It genuinely will help a brand new show find its people.

Michelle Courtright (42:33)
We've got more conversations coming that I cannot wait for you to hear. I'm Michelle Court.

Amanda Kelso (42:39)
And I'm Amanda Kelso.

Michelle Courtright (42:42)
This has been Sound of Mind. Thank you for listening.